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- @Seraphim
What you quoted proves my point – the Jews regarded him as a heretic and disavowed him for such heresy. Thanks for the assist.
- @Zeidner
But Isaac forced Jacob to marry both of Isaac’s daughters by trickery and cheating.
I’m a cynic. I probably started in Sunday school. Abraham willing to kill Isaac, Jacob Rachel and Leah. What an evil old cheat Isaac was. Joseph’s brothers were monsters.
Then on to the NT. I didn’t know much about sex but I assumed the angel seduced Mary and made the baby. A Jewish angel killed all the Jewish baby boys and Herod killed all the Jewish baby boys.
I love the art though
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“In recent years, the history of Jewish expulsions from various European societies over the last thousand years has received considerable attention.”
Well, that means since the Khazars converted to Judaism.
The question that must be asked is why were no expulsions from Arab counties?
What is it about the former Khazars now known as the Ashkenazi that incited so much resentment and anger and hatred?
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@Anon
And anti semitism, supported by lame half assed arguments is a favorite pastime of these types. What better way to alleve the anger ad frustration at your poverty and drug addiction than jews.
The state of these online threads has degraded significantly. It was also due in part to the DMCA law which made it legal for eg. Ron to host libelous comments he(presumably) didnt write. A clause worked in there by the soon to emerge Social Media industry.
There’s no point in even arguing with them. If you disprove them, theyll just make a new login or move to the next blog and continually spread their lies.
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The comments on this article look to go way above 1,000!
- @Zeidner
I’m fine with this if that’s where the evidence conclusively takes us. Is this the case for only Ashkenazi or even Yemeni, Iraqi, Bukharan, etc Jews as well? They’ve discovered pockets of Jews very disconnected from their religion out in places like Indonesia.
Peace.
- @Echoes of History
If Pilate had really been a mensch he’d have told the Rabbis to F off and never sent the soldiers to arrest Jesus
Instead he allowed the rabbis to convict and sentence the heretic to death. And sent his soldiers to actually do the execution so the rabbis wouldn’t have to break taboo and pick up a hammer and nails
Pilate did exactly what the Rabbis wanted.
• Replies: @Echoes of History - @jilles dykstra
Foreigners do not choose to buy US products because of the military any more than Americans are intimidated into buying pizza because of the Italian mafia.
- @utu
It’s interesting that Jeff suddenly appeared and posted the same comments about affirmative action discrimination against White men and that the White trash deserve discrimination because they are useless.
He says he was born and raised in Detroit and left the USA at age 25. So how does he know so much about poor drug addicted Whites?
• Replies: @Jeff Stryker - @Helen4Yemen
More brilliance from anon who has likely never read a credible work on this subject in their life.
If jews were widely hated, how did they get into those countries?
They werent hated, they were useful. People loved their food, their music etcWhen things broke down, they were scapegoated.
Why did they not have issues in “arab countries” (i think the moron means muslim countries) because there were rules in those places about how minorities could be treated. See Dhimmi
A lot of people here are mixing religious and scientific ideas.
- @Mulegino1
“Excel at marketing”
Thank you, we’re getting into the issue of choice here. Blacks in the US CHOOSE to smoke crack cocaine and this choice then creates a Pablo Escabar.
“Lowest common denominator”
Again, thank you. British comediennes always appealed to the lowest common denominator. Italian horror filmmakers always appealed to the lowest common denominator. Chinese heroin czars always appealed to the dregs of the whites.
• Replies: @Mulegino1 - @Anon
I am a bible teacher. I’m showing the pro-Gentile and/or anti-Jewish commenters here at Unz who hold the Jew Testament dear that the Jew Testament is actually an anti-Gentile, pro-Jew swindle. Notice how they have zero argument against this, as they’d be arguing against the Jew Testament they claim as authoritative. I figure one or two of the smarter ones have a serious case of cognitive dissonance right now. The dumber ones don’t. The Jewish Rabbi Jesus could shit on them and they’d tell you it was manna from heaven with a straight face.
Which he did.
For example, Jesus specifically denounces “Gentile” (White) Patriarchal society in all three Synoptic Gospels. (Matthew 20:25, Mark 10:42, Luke 22:25) The True Believing Gentiles just go on believing that Jewshit is manna. They’ll often invoke “context,” which to them is equivalent to hermeneutics they’ve listened to in the pew, i.e., the skill named after Hermes, the God of Smooth Talking—”the divine trickster”—that priests/preachers learn in semenary, that helps sugar coat the Jew Testament.
- @Art
She’s certainly an ethnic Jew though I don’t know if simply not being ashamed of one’s background makes one tribal – for instance if a man is not ashamed to be Irish.
But yes, that’s how she sees herself (as I learned through the conversation); as a practicing Muslim of Jewish background, unapologetic about either aspect of her identity.
Peace.
- @Anon
Maybe out West but in 1995 nobody in Detroit had heard of the World Wide Web except for IT students.
The reason the internet became popular was because people no longer had to go into a sleazy adult bookstore or do the walk of shame at their video store to watch pornography.
Somebody on this blog mentioned the lumpen prole and the mass. This is quite true.
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@Talha
Its hard to even say whether or not ancient Israel existed.
This was religious belief for over 2000 years. Any contradictory evidence would have been hidden or destroyed(by the RCC most likely). There is in fact very little archeological evidence that such a place even existed.
Read Schlomo Sand. He discusses all these things. It was mostly a fabrication, far more acceptable and believeable 2000 years ago. Christianity “forked” the lie and then Islam. And it want even perfect they canonized contradictory texts.
So the idea of “real jews” is itself a figment.
One thing i find hilarious is when people cite Jewish genetics studies and claim Jews arentb”semitic”. Genetics in no way supports the category of Semitic. It does not exist. There are some genetic markers we might say are native to the levant but they are not Semitic.
Medinat Yisrael isnt helping either, although there is some support for Sands work the current mode of Zionism is built on the Jewish racial assumption andvthe right of “return”. Its dangerous to build political and military programs on these ideas.
Im surprised Ron hasnt covered Schlomo Sand.
• Replies: @Talha - @Jeff Stryker
Charleston SC was a major Jewish settlement in the 1600s. Lehman bros arrived New Orleans from Germanyaround 1800 and soon became the 2nd largest slave brokers in the country.
There were many Jews in the south from early times, mid 1600s. They were very very different from the Polish Russian shetl types who arrived in the big northern cities starting 1880.
The southerners came with plenty of money and bought plantations because that was where the money was made in those days. There were also many in the Caribbean and had advantageous business links with the Jews on the mainland.
There are many sources about this on the internet and university libraries.
The southern Jews, like the blacks and other Whites were in the south from the beginning.
• Replies: @Zeidner - @Them Guys
THEM GUYS
You’d have to be outside of a country to notice how it goes downhill over time. I left in the Clinton era. Had you been somewhere else, you would really have noticed that the US slid downward when Bush was elected.
- @Echoes of History
So youre a messianic jew or a noahide?
I mentioned earlier that Medinat Yisrael is invested in new forms of Judaism that have wider appeal and metriculation. I suspect they may eventually extend some form of citizenship to them.
• Replies: @Seraphim - @Zeidner
Zeidner asked: “What better way to alleve the anger ad frustration at your poverty and drug addiction than jews?”
(Above) Uh… Zeidner. Hm, a good question! How to alleve dumb goyim “frustration?”
Let’s see?Duh…, write one’s Jewish Lobby-addicted Congressman, and under “Right to Know” law, demand to see certification that proves Brother Nathanael Kapner is circunsized?
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@Jeff Stryker
You’ve heard of the Bronfman family big Canadian liquor manufacturers? Schenley and many other brands?
They started out in Canada as prostitutes and pimps and soon had the money to open brothels. Brothels served liquor in those days. They bought liquor to serve and enough extra to sell retail and got out of the brothel business and into the liquor manufacturing business.
Leo Frank raped and murdered Mary Phagan. He was a Jew, but no one cared or even noticed until his New York relatives decided to scream discrimination.
You’re Jewish aren’t you? The extreme defensive ness what Ron calls berserker is very Jewish. Any mention of any Jew who committed a crime invokes hysterical deniunciations.
I admire the Bronfmans. They got out of the brothel business and into legal liquor manufacturing.
- @kingedward1wasright1290
Excellent post, kingedward1wasright1290
Everyone, here’s an excellent example of the complete fraudulence of the ‘holocaust’ in a nutshell.
Note that the laughably fake photos (one shown below) are taken from a Times of Israel article discussed in the link.story: Babi Yar / Trial for 3 Alleged members of Firing Squads? / Fake Pictures & more: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11869
Notice in the link the Potemkin Village ‘memorials’ for the utterly fake 34,000 Jews after a search for the alleged human remains came up completely empty. Talk about chutzpah.
And you’ll love this cheesy faked ‘photo’ that Jews say is proof.
Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility & stupidity of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message. - @Anon
ANON
Left at age 25 and was from Detroit. How does he know so much about poor white drug addicts?
That’s exactly the question some Gen Y helicopter child of the 90′s would ask.
Yes kids, once upon a time Gen X left home at 19. In Detroit, you saw some crazy things in the black crack head/white tweaker era.
- @Jeff Stryker
Thousands of Michigan Pennsylvania Illinois Indiana people moved to Texas and Louisiana in the 1980s because the factories and mills closed and oil business was booming and there were jobs.
Moravians Germans and Austrians moved to the south in the 1700s. Southern fried chicken came from Austria so did chicken fried steak which was breaded and fried veal in Austria.
The USA is a big country and it didn’t begin in 1880 in northern cities.
- @Anonymous
“Typical Jewish Reply”
I don’t know whether you are a Malay or a Russian but you’ve never actually been around Jews in your life, much less in NYC or Los Angeles where they congregate. You would not know a Jewish-American from a Southern white cracker if they sat on your face with their pants down.
You’ve never been to the United States, though I am not going to play a guessing game with your nationality.
Personally I make you for a slimy Indian no matter what you purport to be. But hey, you could be a Russian or something else.
Regardless, you’ve never been to the United States. You don’t have the earning power for a vacation to Disney World or wherever foreigners go on US soil like Planet Hollywood. So you’ve never met any Jews, barring some Israeli tourist in Goa that you sold hashish too.
- @Zeidner
You’ve nailed it. Jews aren’t widely hated until people have some experience with them. Nobody has figured out how to prevent people from learning from their experiences. Is there jewish food or music anybody really cares about? People pretend to like Mahler sometimes but what beyond that?
- @Anon
And pointing out that a jew committed a crime is a case agaivst all Jews?
That’s why your entire case is nonsense. What some jew does does not bear guilt on another jew unless collaboration is established. Csn we prosecute Catholics for pedophilia? Protestants for slavery? Muslims for terrorism?
Getting membership to this club “jew” is not difficult, and could easily be faked years ago.
This is why im suspicious of Toaff. Why raise this as a jewish thing?
I do believe in such ritual murder, child abuse and sex cults. See Ted Gunderson or Conspiracy of Silence. A common trick these people do is offload the blame and anger they cause onto jews at large. Gunderson found some of these operating in churches, primary schools etc.
Trump is weeding these people out. They are in panic mode. They are desperate to deflect blame onto anyone they can.
- @Zeidner
I’m surprised to see you write that. When I was a kid, I started out in what would be called a “working class” neighborhood in Queens, NY, and there was no Antisemitism, Jews were treated like every other White ethnic group, although their parents were definitely more concerned with education than many of the other parents. The anti-Semites I’ve encountered, and there aren’t many, are usually from more upper middle class communities who had more contact with wealthier Jews. The most virulent anti-Semites I’ve known have actually been ethnic Jews who would constantly berate their own people to me, pointing out the flaws of their ethnicity.
• Replies: @Zeidner - @Zeidner
He is a babble teacher! The typical school dropout nincompoop who babbles with confidence about things he has no idea about. The comments section of many sites are full of the type (a troll actually).
- @Thorfinnsson
“The current Lord Mayor is Charles Bowman”– is this a purely ceremonial position? Does he have any actual power, compared to Sadiq Khan (who’s complained about in every issue of the Daily Mail)?
- @Rosamond Vincy
Unz and Shahak are from the Enlightenment wing of Jewry and are still waging a philosophical war against the obscurantist rabbis of the 17th and 18th centuries. This is not to say you can’t find equally obscurantist rabbis today in some corners of Brooklyn or Jerusalem, but you have to look.
As far as the blood libel is concerned, it only makes sense as a perversion of the Catholic Mass. But the thing is that in spiritualist circles to this day the traditional Catholic Mass has an enormous cachet. Since we know some Catholics perverted it into a Black Mass it’s not unreasonable to suppose that some groups of Jews did something similar occasionally.
• Replies: @Rosamond Vincy - @Zeidner
Music? I never knew the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe had their own music, did they?
These are their foods and not sure if they were popular, were they?
Blintzes
Borscht
cabbage
Challah
Chicken matzo ball soup
Farfel
Flanken
gefiltah fish
Kasha Varnishkis
matzoh balls.
Perogen
Potatoe kasha Knishes
Potatoe Latkas
Schave
Stuffed cabbage - @Anon
That was Laban, Leah and Rachel’s father. He was such a sociopath that Leah and Rachel put aside whatever sibling or marital rivalry they had and plotted with Jacob (out of earshot of Laban) how the whole family could get out of Dodge before Laban pulled another fast one.
Those OT chicks were tough. And so were the NT ones: Mary put the angel through a whole questionnaire before she agreed to the Incarnation, but once she gave her “Fiat,” she coped with circumstances that were at very least stressful. She had more guts than Moses, Jonah, or Gideon, all of whom tried to weasel out of their divine missions.
- @Joe862
The only thing people want to silence is your LIBEL. Libel that is intentionally damaging. Why would you all convene anonymously to exchange believable lies?
Show me a single scholar who backs up your views. None exist. You are a Crank and a peddler of lies.
This stuff is very dangerous. I mentioned earlier Andrew Dodson who spent a lot of time absorbing these ideas on the net. He eventually killed himself. after recanting them.
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@Rosamond Vincy
Jewish food is pretty good and Jews are usually good connoisseurs of food in general. Music not so much; get an Italian.
- @Zeidner
Historical facts about people dead hundreds of years isn’t libel.
BECAUSE
Truth is the best defense for a libel.
Remember Oscar Wilde. Queens berry wrote that he was a sodomist. Oscar sued Queensberry for libel.
Queens berry proved in court Wilde was a sodomist of boys as young as 12. Sodomising underage boys was a serious offense so Wilde was charged convicted and served prison time.
It happened. Your Jews never committed a crime or did anything wrong is a symptom of a serious mental disorder.
• Replies: @jilles dykstra - @Helen4Yemen
Actually, they did have:
“Klezmer (Yiddish: כליזמר or קלעזמער (klezmer), pl.: כליזמרים (klezmorim) – instruments of music) is a musical tradition of the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe. Played by professional musicians called klezmorim in ensembles known as kapelye, the genre originally consisted largely of dance tunes and instrumental display pieces for weddings and other celebrations. In the United States the genre evolved considerably as Yiddish-speaking Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe, who arrived between 1880 and 1924, came into contact with American jazz…”
- @Anon
I’m not Jewish at all, it is just that Yankees from the Northeast live among Jews and seemingly they do not affect us to the same degree as whites from places in the US far removed from dense concentrations of Jews.
My guess is the vast majority of today’s strip joints and brothels in New Orleans are owned by Italian mob guys and Cajuns, not Jews. But you don’t seem to have a hard-on towards Guidos or French-Canadians. I don’t doubt that many of the gangsters and racketeers of the Prohibition-era were Jews. Hispanics and blacks have long replaced them just as cocaine has replaced booze.
“Any Jew who commits a crime”
I don’t deny that Frank was a sex maniac who deserved to be executed and I suspect the black janitor was equally guilty.
Most Jewish crime-Berkowitz, Rifkin, common thuggery-is really in the Bronx or Brooklyn where there are dense concentrations of Jews.
- @Echoes of History
So by Jew Testament you mean the Christian part known as the New Testament?
This isn’t a site for bible thumping evangelicals. I don’t think there are too many unz commenters interested in the Bible or decide not to bury parents get married or have children because of the Bible
- @AaronB
No, because I don’t think that the ‘larger cause’ approach is sensible: smart Jews[1] that commit to the ‘larger cause’ are permitting their ethnocultural biases to truncate their horizons. Their ‘larger cause’ is doomed.
Being part of a doomed collective enterprise doesn’t make a person dumb: it just means that they were operating outside of their domain of expertise. It’s possible to be smart – even very smart – and still make systematic errors outside of your sphere of direct expertise. A super-smart engineer or mathematician will have better intuitions about economics or politics than a schlub, but they won’t necessarily have good intuitions: one of the key things about being smart is knowing where your domain of expertise ends.
Anyhow… all ‘larger causes’ that are not co-terminous with increased individual liberty, are doomed; that means nationalism, racism, sexism, and so forth.
It often seems as if that’s moronically idealistic, but if you examine the broad sweep of history, the deviations from that process tend to be temporary, transient interruptions to the overall arc of progress. Pinker is right about some things (for the wrong reasons, at times).
Obviously if you were a non-Karaite Jew in Munich in the early 1940s, it’s cold comfort to know that “this too shall pass“… because “this too” is happening to you right now, and there’s a good chance you might not live to see it pass.
Ditto for Palestinians today; for victims of slavery and Jim Crow; for homosexuals before the repeal of laws that violated their liberty; for the suffragettes; for the Abolitionists; for the heliocentrists; for the Freethinkers… and so forth.
They knew they were right; they knew their side would win; they knew it was only a matter of time. Some of them (e.g., Semmelweiss) died just before someone else got credit for their insight. That doesn’t upend the trend.
[1] “Smart Jew” is an oxymoron if “Jew” means “genuine, full-throated adherent to the religion – i.e., Talmudic Judaism“.
It makes a small amount of sense if defined as “smart person whose forebears believed that drivel and who carries some ethnocultural baggage as a result”.
- @Helen4Yemen
Those “Jewish “ foods are are standard German Russian Polish European food prepared kosher. Challah is brioche baked as a braided loaf instead of muffin cups.the braiding is universal.
You missed some delicacies. French fried chicken feet. Gribees? is chicken skin and onions fried together. At least Jews avoided blood sausage and hearts stuffed with bread crumbs and herbs and boiled pig feet with the little hooves.
- @Zumbuddi
The concept that redemption is in blood is Exodus 12-13. Redemption is forgiving the sins of the people so that they can again return to the land. See also Zachariah 9:11, the blood of your covenant sets the prisoners free. I have no time now to write a better answer.
- @Rurik
There was a short public memorial service for Channon and her friend who was tortured to death. The Jew York Times Salon & Huffington screamed racism.
It backfired as some readers checked the horror out, learned what happened and their enlightenment began.
- @ChuckOrloski
The Brazilian police just arrested a man who arranged for 30 minors to be smuggled into the USA.
The article didn’t say who the kids were or why they were smuggled. Maybe they were going to join parents already living illegally in the US. Maybe to work in a Tyson slaughterhouse or sweat shop.
Hi SolontoCroesus,
Since you have a taste for Massie’s literature, “Nicholas and Alexandria,” I will post my poem below which some here would reject being called literature.
https://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2018/05/07/the-hours-at-saint-ndrasputin-syrian-orthodox-church.php
Fyi, I sense that Grigory Rasputin’s influence upon Tsar Nicholas is over-dramatized and I Intuit that there is much less-discussed scary Zionist Jew influence upon Presidents Trump and Putin’s oncoming (global) political decision making.
Thanks, S2C.
P.S.:
The editor’s meaningful note to my poem is much more accessible.
Inquisition apologists sound like Nancy Pelosi defending Mueller.
And yet it moves.
The US pop counter-culture is run by the Jews who excel at marketing and- given their complete lack of aesthetics and true creativity- appealing to the lowest common denominators of taste and lumpen culture. So naturally, the cheap, heavily marketed crap that they produce in Hollywood and in the “pop music” business is going to appeal to the very lowest tastes of the masses, who have been bitten by the kosher consumer bug, and are as susceptible to the addiction to this saccharine garbage as were the Chinese masses who succumbed to the Jewish opium traders and their wares.
Calve’s brains used to be a culinary delicacy.
You are wrong about me on all accounts.
Ron Untz is an outstanding individual endowed with courage and formidable intellect. He is a gift to humanity. Whereas you, anonymous Crimson2, most likely are not a particularly courageous person. Perhaps, you could try to contribute something deeply meaningful to this forum?
I began my tenure here at UR with an excerpt of Mozart’s Requiem, and having yet to work my way through all the comments (cause of my limited free time) I would only supplement S2C’s presentation.
The sheer human experience and a varying kaleidoscope of emotion as depicted on canvas, in theaters, in form (mainly by European whites) is a testament to its short-lived yet transcendental nature in its ability to influenc the arts and especially in music!
(a short list follows):
Wagner (Tristan und Isolde) – Liebestod:
Puccini (Turandot) – Nessun dorma:
Verdi (La Traviata) – Brindisi; Libiamo ne’ lieti calici:
Mozart (Die Zauberflote, K620) – Der Holle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
Strauss II (Die Fledermaus) – Mein herr marquis:
Puccini (La Boheme; Mesetta’s Waltz) – Qando m’en vo’ soletta
Mozart (Le Nozze Di Figaro, K 492) – Voi che sapete:
Verdi (Riggoletto) – La Donna E’ Mobile:
Verdi (Rigoletto Act 1) – Caro Nome:
Gorecki (Symphony 3 2nd movement) – Symphony of Sorrowful Songs:
Puccini (Tosca) – E Lucenvan Le Stelle:
Mozart (Don Giovanni, K 527) – Fin ch’chan dal vino:
I’m surprised the topic of circumcision wasn’t touched upon. Other comments mention it, but only with regards to Metzitzah B’peh. Which used to be how circumcision was performed until the 19th century: https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-what-is-oral-suction-circumcision-1.5311796
And is still pretty common among the Ultra-Orthodox: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/nyregion/regulation-of-circumcision-method-divides-some-jews-in-new-york.html
“The mohel, A. Romi Cohn, said he had performed more than 25,000 circumcisions, on babies and adults, in New York City and elsewhere over the last 40 years. When he circumcises an infant, he said, he almost always put his mouth on the baby’s penis to pull blood away from the wound in an ancient part of the circumcision ritual, known in Hebrew as metzitzah b’peh, that is still commonplace in parts of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community but is rare in other branches of Judaism.”
“The city estimates that metzitzah b’peh is used in some 3,600 local circumcisions each year. The city’s health department says that, between 2000 and 2011, 11 babies contracted herpes as a result, and 2 of them died. This spring, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared that the procedure created a risk for transmission of herpes and other pathogens and was “not safe.””
What’s just as (if not more) unnerving about the practice of Metzitzah B’peh are some of the primary historic reasons behind Jewish circumcision- to control sexuality: http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=32
“Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.”
“To these [reasons for circumcision] I would add that I consider circumcision to be a symbol of two things necessary to our well being. One is the excision of pleasures which bewitch the mind. For since among the love-lures of pleasure the palm is held by the mating of man and woman, the legislators thought good to dock the organ which ministers to such intercourse, thus making circumcision the figure of the excision of excessive and superfluous pleasure, not only of one pleasure, but of all the other pleasures signified by one, and that the most imperious.
The other reason is that a man should know himself and banish from the soul the grievous malady of conceit.”
Circumcision being performed with the intent of damaging pleasure and lust is still maintained among Ultra-Orthodox Jews to this day: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/376074/jewish/The-Mark-of-Truth.htm
“Circumcision purifies and refines. It forces us to make a sacrifice. Removing the foreskin diminishes the pleasure and enjoyment of intercourse. We sacrifice such pleasure and proclaim that, on our scale, Divine instruction is a greater priority than self-gratification.”
This group, Chabad, is also the same group who sent Iceland their first rabbi to help fight their attempted circumcision ban: https://twitter.com/cursedsalad/status/1010591892940120065
It also goes without saying this was the original purpose of medical circumcision in the Victorian Era. Jewish doctors were influential the spread of this, and of the countries that adopted circumcision as a “medical” practice during this period, America remains the only one where it is still the norm, and the only country on Earth where infants are routinely circumcised for mostly “medical” reasons.
I wonder if this has to do with the large number of Jews in the American medical system? After all, the two most widely used circumcision devices in American history, the Gomco and Mogen clamps, were both invented by Jewish doctors, and their names- Gomco being named for the “Goldstein Medical Company”, and “Mogen” being Hebrew for “Shield.”
The idea circumcision prevents AIDS was also popularized by Jewish doctors, and among the most prominent AIDS researchers are Jewish. And consider this, from a Jewish AIDS researcher: http://denyingaids.blogspot.com/2011/01/anti-science-of-aids-denialism-new-must.html
“Yes, that is right. I am biased in my interpretation of 20 years of epidemiological research and three randomized controlled trials because I am Jewish. It is the medical establishment, run by Jews, that is conspiring to promote male circumcision for HIV prevention. It is no coincidence that the leading circumcision researcher is named Moses. Yes, I want every male child circumcised because that will make them Jews and we can take over the world, not just the Liberal Media and banks. Now that I am talking Crazy, do you understand me better?”
Taking into consideration many of the things in this article, circumcision and the centrality of it in Judaism, and Judaism to upholding it in America and promoting it elsewhere is worth looking into- and if there’s more to it than it just being a “medical procedure” that helps prevent AIDS, penile cancer, UTI’s etc. (there is.)
Because of all the wars that the Jew Rothschilds have financed – they are the bloodiest people on the planet.
Think Peace – Do No Harm — Art
p.s. The English are a fraud – clearly they serve Jews.
The dirty lyrics to Mozart’s opera were written by a Jew though.
Hi Talha,
Why is this so hard – the Jews are a genetic tribe – some of the tribe are religious. Some profess to a god – some do not – some pray to the devil.
Despite their differences, they all protect each other – most all politically scheme against all the other tribes.
What is not true about the above?
Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art
aaah.
Thank you tac.
Verdi, La traviata – ‘Parigi, o cara’
Renée Fleming and Joseph Calleja
and Ricardo Muti: the task of the conductor is to touch the divine
Actually, blood libel was originally directed against early Christians by people who misunderstood transubstantiation.
I had friends who were kicked out Hebrew School as well as friends who were kicked out of Parochial School. From what I can see, they both run on guilt: guilt that you didn’t die in a nasty way in the Holocaust, guilt that your sins killed Jesus and you wouldn’t be willing to die for Him in the nasty ways that Saints Barbara and Lawrence, etc., had. They collected for trees in Israel, we collected for Pagan Babies. Nobody I knew was taught to steal kidneys any more than we rampaged through Jewish households making people eat pork or reproached Protestants about Luther and Henry VIII. Nor did they learn to spit at the name of Jesus or think He was in hell; apparently, He was never mentioned at all. History jumped from the Old Testament to the Diaspora and got stuck in WWII where it has stayed, occasionally popping up its head to remind everybody “this is why there has to be an Israel because Never Again.” Some of them had been astonished to learn Jesus was Jewish, as we complained about our respective indoctrinations over the ubiquitous bong. Far from considering the Koran just another book, they detested Arabs in a totally un-PC way.
I have no idea if the Talmud is any more gruesome than the Lives of the Saints, and I’ll probably never know because I haven’t the slightest intention of reading it. But if Unz hasn’t read it either (and apparently, there’s a lot of it), he’s being remarkably eager to discuss what’s supposedly in it.
The City of London is a municipal corporation. It’s a vestige of feudalism, not a nefarious Rothschild plot. The current Lord Mayor is Charles Bowman, and the Lord Mayor is elected by the livery companies (of which there are 110).
The Rothschilds are not particularly important anymore (the fourth generation began consuming their principle), and Evelyn de Rothschild is an anomaly who owes much of his eminence to befriending the late Gianni Agnelli. Rothschild & Co is today only as large as an American regional bank like Associated or Wintrust.
While a pedantic point, not all major banks have their headquarters in the City either. HSBC is headquartered in Canary Wharf, and Barclay’s is based in the Docklands.
The Bank of England was nationalized in 1946, though the Blairites gave the Bank of England “independence” which in practice means its operations are heavily influenced by the financial sector.
That one of the world’s main financial centers is powerful and influential is not exactly surprising and doesn’t require misrepresentation to explain.
Even the Jew Testament, not surprisingly, fawns over genital mutilation.
“For it is we [Christians] who are the circumcision [Jewish Cocksuckers].” Phillipians 3:3
I doubt it was Jews only who threatened this doctor who did a scientific study of circumcision that concluded circumcision causes permanent brain damage. He was forced to destroy the MRI data.
They’re all mentally ill. Obsession with Jews (anti or philo) is prima facie evidence. They know it and they cherish their condition. “I don’t care!” they say. “Hitler was mentally ill, too … and look what he accomplished!”
There have been several moments along my long slog to understanding the Fiend that foments so much hatred, misery and death in the world.
What happened to Germany after the Armistice, and especially during the cruel and depraved ((Weimar)) regime.
What happened to the Kukaks, and how they were tortured with being forced to watch their children waste away in front of their eyes, month after excruciating month, week after week, day after day.. until they finally succumbed. The regions most successful farmers, starved to death, because they were successful, and those who starved them were driven by that most motivating principle of the Fiend; envy.
Then I learned of Dresden, (arguably the most sublime city in Europe), it’s true that the Fiend has lurked in London, England for centuries. Pedophiles and Jewish supremacists. They are our misfortune.
So I became aware of a force in human affairs that is motivated by a netherworld hatred that I’ll (thankfully) never really be able to comprehend.
It manifests at places like Waco, where the victims of the Fiend were burned alive to sate, if only for a moment, the infinite hatred and cruelty that really comes to bear when you do the worst thing you can, and defy its Satanic power.
That is what it loves above all else. Power. Power over others. The power to humiliate and scourge other people, and most of all, make them suffer.
That’s what we see going on in Palestine all these generations. A deliberate and calculated agenda of using raw power to crush a beaten people’s last shreds of dignity under a racial truncheon.
What kind of people do such things?
It isn’t “stupidity”, no. Rather it’s malice- run amok. Hatred for hatred’s sake. Cruelty for cruelty’s sake.
It’s beyond my comprehension.
Another way to glimmer their id, is to see how they use their media.
If a Black thug gets some of his own karma returned to him in spades, like Michael Brown or Travon, it’s the most egregious hate crime imaginable!!!, and it’s bull-horned all over the glob.
But if a White (Channon) Christian is savaged in the most unspeakable ways, then it is nothing. Less than nothing. Indeed, by their respective silence vs hysteria on racial crimes, we see that depending on the races of the victims vs. the perps, that (((they))) even seem to celebrate crimes like the Wichita massacre, by their thunderous silence in (not) reporting it.
This is another way I’ve sort of glimmered the depths of their profound and all-encompassing hatred of White folks.
Obviously it isn’t only Jews. And Obviously not all Jews are like that. But when it comes to these events, and how they’re handled in the Jewish media, then there’s no mistaking who is behind it all.
The Jewish supremacists want Muslims in Europe because they want them to rape and savage the European girls. Rotherham is only possible in an European nation that has been thoroughly ‘Jewed’.
They want the strife and misery and suffering and despair- that is a direct in inevitable consequence of forcing radically different people to occupy the same space.
Jewish supremacists don’t love the Muslims and Africans that are descending on Europe and destroying it for all time. Of course not! It has nothing whatsoever to do with love or compassion or fair play. Hardly. What is the motivating principle is hate. Pure, raw, unadulterated, murderous, genocidal hatred. Seething from a narrative that has them believing that they have been put upon, historically and contemporarily. They believe themselves to be superior, and all the ‘persecutions’ that they’ve suffered and continue to suffer at the hands of (especially white, male) Gentiles, tweaks their sense of grievance and militarizes their burning and unendurable envy.
Whether it’s written in the Old Testament, or the Talmud, or just something they pick up, they’re full to the brim with a malignant bile that seems will never be sated except by making the object of their torment, and suffering… in a word; envy – suffer a thousand humiliations until they die screaming.
I don’t put any of that down to stupidity. I put it down to a pathological and endemic kind of uber-racial supremacist, psychopathic hatred.
What am I missing?
I would point out that no gentile figure equivalent to Ron in what he could lose, dares say such things as Ron does in this post.
All other religions of nationalities have been guilty of acting just as badly as Jews on occasion. But no other religious/ ancestral affiliation in the West has an influence out of all proportion to its numbers such as Judaism possesses.
As a result of Jewish influence gaining ever more momentum, Western politics is fundamentally unstable in its lack of variability. In relation to the Jews there is no back or forth, their influence simply increases over time, even since the first Gulf War–the second Gulf War was primarily fought under the influence of Jewish neocons. The ‘metastable’ nature of the West under Jewish ascendance heralds the disintegration, or some reaction. Trump’s success shows the potential for something much much worse from the Jewish perspective
From the people who matter, Ron will be getting flak rather than traction from this post. I suppose he thinks it was worth saying no to prevent future troubles for everyone. On the other hand it is quite possible, probable even, that Jews have a grip on Western society and culture that no gentile reaction could shift, and Ron is stirring up trouble for himself in pursuit of futile dreams.
One thing I am sure of, and that is the West can continue to thwart the extremists who secretly long for transfers to make Greater Israel a Jewish state, or the West can halt immigration into the West–not both. Trump recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel perhaps indicates he intuitively understands what must be done to save the West.
More of the European contribution to the betterment of mankind:
Bellini (Norma) – Casta Diva:
Leoncavallo (Pagliacci):
Bizet (Habanera):
Offenbach (Barcarolle):
Mascagni (Cavalleria rusticana) – Intermezzo:
Schubert (Ave Maria):
Bellini (Vaga luna):
The break in the graph of correlation of wages with productivity also correspond exactly with when the dollar was taken off the gold standard and the bretton woods agreement
Yes. His comments are very contradictory. Echoes of History is another one who is just causing problems. His bizarre Jesus/Christianity obsession is weird.
Utu, Sean?
I believe it may actually be funded by religious interests.
Anti semitism strengthens Jewish community. We all know that without the holocaust Israel couldn’t exist. I notice sonething about this brand of online anti semitism, its not altogether brainless, its relentless, its structured. Hardly unorganized.
The thing rabbis hate the most is assimilation and secularization.
This is certainly one way to look at this.
However they consider converts to Christianity and Islam (for instance) lost to them – apostates:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/apostasy
So, let’s take an organization like Jews for Jesus (they have a few offices around my locale). Are they Jews? Are they Christians? Do you still think of them as part of the tribe?
One of the medieval Jewish converts to Islam wrote one of the most scathing tracts of criticism against Jewish practice. He was obviously not part of the tribe anymore though he was a Jew.
I think there is an ethno-linguistic aspect and a religious aspect; sometimes they seem to overlap and sometimes they are completely divergent.
Peace.
Not to mention, through their political influence, Organized Jewry has been able to stamp out much regional difference in culture, tastes, etc. It’s pretty easy to service a mass market when you have a mass society.
Atilla the “dirty, rude, and dumb” Asian-worshiper is still apoplectic from the spanking I gave her. She won’t soon forget that.
I dont understand why people spend much time on these anonymous forms. You have no idea who you’re talking to(look up Ethos under Aristotle), you may be arguing with the same person appearing as many, etc.
The early days of internet and bbs were much different. You needed to be educated, some access to money, and fairly intelligent to even get on the net. Most of the people here are white trash with a cell phone. It unreadable vomit.
@Sean
Lots of Jews have relayed anti semitic ideas including the author Toaff that Ron cited.
Jews are NOT a genetic tribe. Its been proven so stop repeating it.
Hardly unorganized.
Dem Jews.
So you read a bunch of books and were shocked to learn of their ideas, but you tell us repeatedly you cannot comment on the trustworthiness of these ideas. And you use 7800 words to tell us so. Maybe you could get back to us when you can comment on them with some authority. Otherwise, very interesting, but little I haven’t known since the 1980s.
Yep. The Jewish tribe is a very mentally and morally sick cult
And Israel is the only and ultimate proof of that one needs.
People are always sickened when they read in the news of some woman or child abducted by a psychopath and kept locked in a box or basement so the psycho can beat and abused them at his leisure for years and years.
That is what Israeli Jews have done to Palestines for 70 years….how sick and hideous and filthy do you have to be to do that for 70 years and enjoy it?…think about it..70 years!.
Easy to understand why decent people hate Jewish Israel.
Collective punishment’: Israel blocks fuel shipment to Gaza
Israel further tightens its blockade on the strip while rights group denounces measure as ‘morally depraved’.
17 Jul 2018
Israel has further tightened its blockade on the Gaza Strip, preventing gas and fuel deliveries through its only commercial crossing with the Palestinian besieged enclave a week after Israeli authorities announced the closure of the crossing.
The Kerem Shalom crossing, known to Palestinians as Karem Abu Salem, was shut down on July 9 and initially, only items deemed as “humanitarian” would be allowed to enter Gaza, such as food, hygiene and medical supplies, fuel, animal feed and livestock.
However, the defence ministry announced late on Monday that fuel and gas deliveries will also be suspended, and that the crossing will remain open only for food and medicine on a case-by-case basis.”
Israel collected $100m from Palestinians. Now it wants to use the money to upgrade roadblocks
The Finance Ministry and the Population and Immigration Authority have accumulated millions of shekels in sick leave compensations belonging to Palestinian workers
Or Kashti | Jul. 17, 2018 | 7:39 PM | 5
The Finance Ministry and the Population and Immigration Authority are exploring a variety of ways to use an accumulated 380 million shekels ($105 million) in sick leave compensation sitting in accounts of Palestinian laborers with Israeli work permits. An option being considered is to put the money toward upgrading border crossings between the West Bank and Israel.
The funds were paid by the Palestinians’ Israeli employers after deducting the sums from the workers’ wages. Little of the money has reached the workers themselves and the High Court of Justice will hold an initial hearing next week on a petition filed about two years ago about the disposition of the funds.
The issues is over the fact that Israeli employers have automatically deducted 2.5% Palestinian laborers’ salaries for a sick leave fund managed by the Population Authority. Any unused funds are transferred to the Finance Ministry.
The procedure that Palestinians must follow to obtain any of their money is much more complicated than what is required of Israelis. They may withdraw funds only in the event of illness or debilitating injury that prevents them from working, and the application process requires a number of administrative and medical approvals.
The state said two weeks ago that not a single worker had received any compensation, citing “difficulties” in processing medical documents.
At the end of 2016, the Finance Ministry told Haaretz that the funds have been deposited at the Bank of Israel.
Bulldozing Palestine, one village at a time
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/bulldozing-palestine-village-time-180709084624862.html
Israel wants the village of Khan al-Ahmar razed to the ground to cut off Jerusalem from the West Bank.
Correct- the collective burrows its way from cheap “entertainment”, low criminality and the rackets into academia, jurisprudence, and the councils of government within a generation or two, leaving nothing but wreckage and ruin in its path. The collective mind of the host society becomes kosher, as is evinced by our own American addiction to the cheapest and most tawdry of Jewish spectacles. Our so called “patriotism” has largely become nothing more than cheerleading spilling the blood of their enemies by shedding the blood of our own compatriots. It is no wonder that Israel’s unofficial national hymn is “Onward Christian Soldiers.”
Stick with pronouncements on who you would\would not bang, kid.
Second Lebanon War was a watershed moment for figures as diverse from Benny Morris to Gilad Atzmon to Jimmy Carter.
pray tell..
what’s the criteria for immigrating into the explicitly “Jewish” state of Israel as a new citizen?
Talha,
What is the best description when it comes to Jews?
My I call on Occom’s Razor. It says that the shortest answer that fulfills is the right answer.
I think “tribe” fulfills the most? With that and $5.00 you can get a cup of coffee these days.
Think Peace — Art
Here’s more:
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2917521/jewish/The-Circumcision-of-Desire.htm
“Now we understand why the sign of the covenant is circumcision, a commandment given in Tazria. For faith to be more than the worship of power, it must affect the most intimate relationship between men and women. In a society founded on covenant, male-female relationships are built on something other and gentler than male dominance, masculine power, sexual desire and the drive to own, control and possess. Baal must become ish. The alpha male must become the caring husband. Sex must be sanctified and tempered by mutual respect. The sexual drive must be circumcised and circumscribed so that it no longer seeks to possess and is instead content to love. ”
https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/379485/jewish/Healing-Swollen-Ego.htm
“The foreskin of the male reproductive organ effects his experience of marital relations in two ways: it increases his gross sensual pleasure and decreases his sensitivity to his wife by insulating him from her to a certain extent. By removing the foreskin, the experience of marital relations becomes for the man less of a narcissistic indulgence and more of a true spiritual coupling between him and his wife. Once the spiritual dimension of marital relations is allowed into the picture, it enhances the physical dimension as well. The sages of the Talmud therefore state that ideally, at least, it is the Jewish couple that experiences the truest enjoyment in marital relations.”
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1014930/jewish/The-Mitzvah-of-Circumcision-Part-I.htm
“Sefer HaChinuch explains that just as Jewish souls are different than Gentiles’ souls, G‑d wanted there to be a difference in our physical bodies as well. He explains further that G‑d left this sign for us to make rather than creating us with it, in order to symbolize that just as we can and must perfect our bodies, so too we can and must perfect our souls.
Why was the reproductive organ chosen for this imprint?
1. To symbolize that the covenant with G‑d is eternal and must be passed on to the next generations.
2. It weakens sexual desire and pleasure, hopefully giving a person more strength to restrain himself from engaging in forbidden sexual encounters. In a similar vein, Nachmanides writes that the brit reminds us to only use the male organ in a permissible and positive way.
3. The reproductive organ was chosen, since it is in the merit of our uniqueness and devotion to G‑d that we continue our existence as a race.”
https://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/2287938/jewish/Why-Women-Dont-Need-Circumcision.htm
“Circumcision is a tangible reminder to all men that they are the masters of their bodies, that they are in control of their sexual urges. Cutting back the foreskin represents tapering the self-centered nature of lust. It’s not only about me, but about another person’s dignity and desires. It’s not all about the pleasure that I want, but about the pleasure that G‑d wants me to have.
Perhaps this reasoning behind circumcision can account for the Talmud’s statement that women are born naturally circumcised. Generally speaking, a woman’s nature is not to dominate someone whom she desires. Studies show that female sexual predators make up such a small percentage that there is little known about them as a group. Although women may have many imperfections, it seems that they are naturally less in danger of violating the dignity of others through their lustful impulses.”
https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/379644/jewish/Evil-Among-the-Nations.htm
“The Hebrew word for “donkey”, “chamor”, is related to the word for “material” (“chomer”) and “materialism” (“chumriut”). Sichon is thus the personification of gross materialism, or the desire for sensual gratification.
The mitzva of circumcision is intended to sever the Jew from his egocentric, material orientation and thereby prepare him and make his suitable for the pursuit of spirituality and holiness. As is explained in Chasidut, the presence of the foreskin renders sexual relations more immediately personally gratifying, but desensitizes the individual to the experience of his wife. Sexual relations thus remain an essentially narcissistic experience. The removal of the foreskin puts the individual more directly in contact with his wife, and thus he shares her experience as well. This, of course, serves to spiritualize and therefore augment the sensual experience in ways not possible in the narrow, egocentric context.
The removal of the foreskin, i.e. the propensity toward gross, self-oriented materialism, thus sensitizes the individual to the presence of an other person, and ultimately, readies him for encounter with the ultimate Other, G‑d.”
“The name “Og” (spelled ayin-gimel) is etymologically related to the root ayin-vav-gimel or ayin-gimel-gimel, which means, “to form a circle”. Thus, it refers to the mucous membrane which encircles the glans of the penis underneath the foreskin, and which must also be peeled back as part of the rite of circumcision. The removal of the foreskin is called “mila” (meaning “cutting”) and the removal of the mucous membrane is called “pria”(meaning “peeling” back).
This membrane is obviously much more subtle and delicate than the coarse foreskin. It therefore embodies a much more abstract, delicate form of evil that is therefore much more difficult to root out than the usual, coarse evil. In Chasidut it is explained that the foreskin signifies the evil that exists in the outer dimension of the heart, while the mucous membrane signifies the evil that exists in the inner dimension of the heart. The evil of the outer dimension of the heart is the individual’s gross lust for material and sensual forms of pleasure and gratification.”
Yes, it might be “jews” as in people invested in the religious structure of Judaism. It is a business just like Christianity and islam. Notice the anti semitism NEVER criticizes the major religions for what they are, a massive FRAUD. They dont want their flock mixing with another flock.
Is there an inner circle to Judaism? Not far fetched really, in the early days it was the priesthood and the nobility. Most “jews” were clueless peasants who brought the rabbis fresh steaks at least once a year.
Haha, get a grip.
Typical Jewish reply. All of those areas are trash factories in decline and your Tribe is running out of time…
… and you don’t even know why. Hilarious.
The manuscript of “Human Sacrifice Among the Sephardine” was bought by the Board of Deputies of British Jews in the early 20th century in order to conceal its contents. It was they who announced they were offering it for sale in 2001. They claimed they were so short of money that they had no choice but to do so. It wasn’t sold, and I suspect the whole thing was a ruse to draw more donations.
I am amused that my username still provokes commotions. It is not the first time that people found some hidden agenda in my use of it. I explained once that Seraphim is a very common name (both family and personal) in many countries (Greece, Russia, Italy, France, Germany) but not among Jews.
You can’t understand what you read or you twist my words. I did not say that ‘admiring Whites is idiotic’ but “White would be Ubermensch” (i.e. the ‘White nationalists’, ‘White supremacists’, ‘Aryan Nations’ , ‘males’ clowns) admire N. Their admiration for N is idiotical.
Of course you do not understand anything of Christianity from the truncated quotations of the Gospels. But that is how Jefferson read the Gospels, with the scissors in his hand, pasting his cuts on his own fantasy account of Christ ‘philosophy’. Jefferson, like all his Jewish inspirers, reserved his harshest literary venom for Saint Paul.
Not sure why im educating an anonymous internet account but …
Right of return is extended to anyone who can prove a jewish grandparent or parent or has gone through an orthodox conversion. That may change in future. That (grand)parent may have converted.
Genetic studies have proven that jews are not a race. There are subgroups within Judaism, notably Ashkenazis who have Endogamy and have the characteristics of a race like British or Indian. Ashknzi != Jewish. You can be Ashkenazi, partly or completely and not be Jewish. Judaism is a religion.
Ashkenazi came from an ancient kingdom in east Europe, maintained Endogamy through religion, thus they are a race.
Oh and this article- this really seems to exemplify a lot of Jewish thought (“embracing the irrationality”), even beyond circumcision: https://forward.com/opinion/197974/embracing-the-irrationality-of-circumcision-and-ka/
“Like many embattled religionists, some Jews have responded by denying that there’s any problem in the first place. But this is a bad idea. It’s manifestly true that circumcision is nonconsensual and that it does reduce sexual pleasure. Indeed, Jewish sages like Maimonides knew this and praised the rite for doing so. Let’s not pretend that circumcision is just “a little off the top” or somehow not a big deal.
Let’s also not pretend — a la John Kellogg, who popularized circumcision in America — that this is some kind of hygienic practice. Yes, the current data is that circumcision does reduce the risk of transmitting HIV, HPV and other STD-causing agents. But so do proper hygiene and safer-sex practices. At the very least, if all we’re talking about is health, people should decide the matter for themselves. But we’re not talking about health, really, and to pretend otherwise is just false consciousness.”
“Rather than contest the facts, liberal Jews seeking to defend irrational Jewish practices must confront the difficult facts head-on, and then inquire into and communicate the underlying values in play. Circumcision is barbaric, primitive, irrational, bizarre, pleasure-reducing, possibly painful, strange, nonconsensual, patriarchal and essentially permanent. And it is ancient, sacred, profound, familial and foundational to Jewish maleness, Jewish identity and Jewish religious practice. Both-and, not either-or.”
“Secularly, our society allows parents wide latitude in raising their children. They can brainwash them, lie to them, restrict their movements, make health care decisions for them. No, they cannot nonconsensually cut them at will. But if our society allows parents to authorize surgery, medication and bodily alteration of their children for medical reasons — made according to the parents’ judgment — surely it can do the same when that judgment is based on religious, albeit nonrational, reasons.”
“Jewishly, the rational critiques are valid and the nonrational factors are important as well: Jewish belonging, Jewish tradition, obedience to God, obedience to authority, a spiritual connection with food, creating discipline around food, respect for animal life (and eating fewer animals as a result), a gestural nod to the dignity of the animal…. The list goes on, and these factors are important and non-rational and they may even be good.
Secularly, whatever rights animals do or should have, our society currently allows far more violations of them than kashrut entails. We allow hunting for sport. We kill animals for pleasure. We raise them and slaughter them for ornamentation. None of these motivations is as noble or as constitutionally protected as religious values, and all hurt far more animals.
Let’s be truthful about our religious observances: Kashrut and circumcision aren’t harmless, nor are they entirely rational. But neither, at the end of the day, are we.”
Thanks for the explanation
I know they are not an exact ‘tribe’ – they are actually like a small Ummah. They definitely do have genetic diversity as anyone can see by looking at Polish vs Ethiopian Jews. However, my understanding is that they still trace their lineage back through ancestry to the 12 tribes.
Peace.
Excellent post which leads one to search for the origin and method of organizing hatred on a vast scale. Jewish male genital mutilation is a cruel torture of innocents used to create psychopaths capable of murdering and torturing children by shooting their legs off in Gaza without a trace of remorse. The evil begins with the torture of Jewish male children. After the rabbis violent circumcision of tribal infants, murdering and torturing the goyim seems natural to the tribe of psychopaths.
Up thread is a link on male genital mutilation forced upon Jewish male children by the talmudic rabbis. On the eighth day of life, the child is restrained and the foreskin is removed, causing intense pain, which permanently alters brain connections related to empathy, fear, and reasoning. The barbaric savagery creates psychopaths of Jewish male children.
http://circumcision.org/circumcision-permanently-alters-the-brain/
Perhaps, the Jewish Question can be resolved by a world wide BAN on male genital mutilation. The practice is a heinous crime against humanity, masquerading as religious practice, when in fact it is torture used to create anti-human psychopaths. The Jews are to be pitied, as they are in the grip of an ancient priesthood worshiping power over others as an end in itself. Jews are the first victims who become the murderers and torturers on behalf of the satanic priesthood’s mad delusion of world control. BAN CIRCUMCISION!
I agree with that view. Circumcision is the Sine qua non of Judaism. I agree it was innovated in order to lessen the pleasure of sex, regulate it, and to channel the energy into family life(the Egyptians also practiced it).
Perhaps this explains why jews are wealthier and their children are better cared for. A lot of the anti semites i notice come from screwed up broken families. They feel indignation, why are the Jewish kids doing well and im posting to internet forums from my trailer? Mix this indignation with anger, religious doctrine, and the environmemt of internet blogs and you get these kind of ideas.
Bwahahahahahaha. Getting on a motorcycle was always much more demanding in all three categories.
No wonder you’re acting like a deer in the headlights in this thread.
You’re sure spending a lot of time in this thread making the same stupid comments.
You’d be amazed how elegant the trailers and cabins are down in the 90212 holler
Got me a copper kettle.
Got me a copper coil.
Got me some new made corn mash
And never again will I toil
My Pappy made whiskey
Granpappy did too
We ain’t paid no whiskey tax
Since 1792
I don’t think we can apply Occam’s Razor to something as complex as a thousands years old religious tradition for the reasons I outlined.
I recently came across a sister who converted from a Jewish background; she served in the military and studied religion at university. She is quite open about her Jewish background, but she is a Muslim. She even wears niqab now, quite traditional. She will never marry a Jewish man (unless he also converts) and is on the Palestinian side of the issue. She is not ashamed of her ethnic Jewish background (nor should she be).
So what is she? In which box does she fix?
Peace.
Notice that Abraham had several wives and concubines, where his son Isaac, the first Jew to be circumcised at birth had only one wife to whom he remained completely faithful.
This Anglo Celtic hick has lived her entire life among Jews.
The Jew Testament is one of those cheapest and most tawdry of Jewish spectacles, with the “Cross of Jesus” parodying Julius Caesar’s cruxiform tropaeum.
The Jewish story-writers who created the Jesus character even give away their shtick in Matthew 22:22, Mark 12:16, and Luke 20:24, but most Europeans know so little of their pre-Kikeianity history that they don’t catch it.
Jews are NOT a genetic tribe. Its been proven so stop repeating it.
Say Zeidner,
You are contemptuous of everything – you probably hate Jesus!
Think Peace — Art
Not Hebrew, Yiddish German. Yiddish was the official language of the American Communist Party from its founding until 1930.
Stalin finally realized that English speaking Americans were not likely to join a party run by foreigners speaking a foreign language.
So Stalin issued 4 orders
1. English would be the official language of CPUSA
2. Jews had to restrain themselves to 40 percent of party membership.
3. The chairman of CPUSA could not be a Jew. Hence Gus Hall
4 Because New York City was about 25 percent Jewish at the time and the CPUSA was known to be a Jewish organization party headquarters had to be else where than Jewish NYC.
So headquarters moved to Chicago.
So why do you keep clipping and pasting from that bible site? I thought you were some kind of hyper Christian bible teacher.
By 1995 or so every public library in Los Angeles was full of homeless cruising the internet.
You again read selectively.
“While Spinoza lived long before the emergence of modern political Zionism, he could be seen as prefiguring later currents in Jewish modernity.
Baruch Spinoza’s rejection of a God of History is an abrupt break with most of the history of Jewish philosophy and is a strong argument that, despite being born a Jew, his thought was not intrinsically Jewish. He was a heretic. But it could be argued that he deserves a place in the pantheon of great Jewish thinkers in that he was a visionary in terms of how the Jewish people would make the transformation from the medieval world into modernity”.
His condemnation had more to do with the alarm that his acquaintance with dissident anti-clerical groups (Arminians and Mennonites) which attracted the frowning attention of the Dutch authorities (who would later ban his writings and set heavy punishments against anyone selling his books) could damage the fragile status of the Sephardi community. Disavowing Spinoza was a necessary public act for a community eager to avoid angering its generally tolerant hosts. Jews in Amsterdam were ordered to refrain from all public attacks against the Christian religion, from attempting to convert Christians to Judaism, and from having sexual relations with Christian women.
You have to learn history more seriously, not to be just an echo. You don’t realize how laughable your sophomoric knowledge is.
Surprise surprise, NOT Russian meddling, Israeli meddling, and calling the shots, Trump isn’t Putins puppet, along with congress, and our entire government he is Netanyahus puppet. It wans’t Russia that got “hacked” Hillary it was Israel, because of the Iran deal, if Seth Rich indeed exists and he leaked them, then he is Mossad or works for Israel.
In recording, Netanyahu boasts Israel convinced Trump to quit Iran nuclear deal
Public broadcaster airs clip of PM telling Likud activists US exit came after he stood up ‘against the whole world’ by opposing accord
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-recording-netanyahu-boasts-israel-convinced-trump-to-quit-iran-nuclear-deal/
In a video clip aired Tuesday by Israeli television, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu boasted that Israel was responsible for US President Donald Trump’s decision to quit the Iran nuclear deal.
In the video, which the Kan public broadcaster said was filmed two weeks ago, Netanyahu can be seen speaking to activists and senior members from his Likud party.
“We convinced the US president [to exit the deal] and I had to stand up against the whole world and come out against this agreement,” Netanyahu says in the video. “And we didn’t give up.”
What do you think of the latest and very expensive kashrut rules that only fruits and vegetables grown in kosher green houses* can be eaten and field grown produce can’t be eaten anymore?
Rational is that bugs crawl on field crops but don’t get into greenhouses. Actually, bugs do get into greenhouses but the rabbis either don’t know that but ignore it.
* the greenhouse farms are owned by the rabbis quelle surprise.
12 tribes lineage is a religious idea not a scientific one.
Given Y Dna evidence it has been mostly ruled out.
LOL